Subject: "19" and computer

The understanding of The creature(27/82) as computer is imo far fetched. It can not be computer because of number of reasons.

I meditate upon it a few years ago and i understood clearly that creature from earth is to came after j day is already started and not before it (But i will reexamine my understanding again). Read the contex of the verse. The verse say: "Wa itha waqa a alejhimul qawlu/And when the Word is fulfilled against them", i understand, that it speaks about happening on the j day, it will be clear for you Gw if you read verses that follow 27/82, that is, verses 27/83-85. Verses 27/83-85 speak in very clear terms about happening on the J day, there is no doubt about it. Pay notice to the following words in 27/85 wa waqa a alejhimul qawlu/And the Word will be fulfilled against them

"And the Word will be fulfilled against them(wa waqa al qawlu alejhim) and they will be unable to speak (in plea)."27/85

"Waqa al qawlu alejhim" are the very same words that are used in 27/82 for describing the time when the creature will come. From that I concluded that the creature will come on The J day and not before it. Compare rk and other translation and notice how he imo hide/conceal(kefere) this fact, his translation of those verses is way too interpretative. The same words(Waqa al qawlu alejhim) in 27/82 and 27/85 he translated totally different.

027.082 YUSUFALI: And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs. PICKTHAL: And when the word is fulfilled concerning them, We shall bring forth a beast of the earth to speak unto them because mankind had not faith in Our revelations. SHAKIR: And when the word shall come to pass against them, We shall bring forth for them a creature from the earth that shall i wound them, because people did not believe in Our communications. KHALIFA: At the right time, we will produce for them a creature, made of earthly materials, declaring that the people are not certain about our revelations.

027.083 YUSUFALI: One day We shall gather together from every people a troop of those who reject our Signs, and they shall be kept in ranks,- PICKTHAL: And (remind them of) the Day when We shall gather out of every nation a host of those who denied Our revelations, and they will be set in array; SHAKIR: And on the day when We will gather from every nation a party from among those who rejected Our communications, then they shall be formed into groups. KHALIFA: The day will come when we summon from every community some of those who did not believe in our proofs, forcibly.

027.084 YUSUFALI: Until, when they come (before the Judgment-seat), (Allah) will say: "Did ye reject My Signs, though ye comprehended them not in knowledge, or what was it ye did?" PICKTHAL: Till, when they come (before their Lord), He will say: Did ye deny My revelations when ye could not compass them in knowledge, or what was it that ye did? SHAKIR: Until when they come, He will say: Did you reject My communications while you had no comprehensive knowledge of them? Or what was it that you did? KHALIFA: When they arrive, He will say, "You have rejected My revelations, before acquiring knowledge about them. Is this not what you did?"

027.085 YUSUFALI: And the Word will be fulfilled against them, because of their wrong-doing, and they will be unable to speak (in plea). PICKTHAL: And the Word will be fulfilled concerning them because they have done wrong, and they will not speak. SHAKIR: And the word shall come to pass against them because they were unjust, so they shall not speak. KHALIFA: They will incur the requital for their wickedness; they will say nothing.

Also, think about the verse 27/82. Who are "them" in the phrase "And when the Word is fulfilled against them". "Them" are 1.disbelievers of muhamad era or 2.disbelievers in general, disbelievers of all times. If it is first case then the creature has already come, and if it is second case then there is no room for it to come as a sign before the hour because of 47/18 "Are they waiting until the Hour comes to them suddenly? All the signs thereof have **already come**. Once the Hour comes to them, how will they benefit from their message? " 47/18 You see, all the conditions for the coming of the hour were already**fulfilled** in the time of messenger muhamed and from muhamads era till our days the hour could come suddenly, there was nothing that "could stoped" God to start the j day , that is, there was no reasons - prophecies or signs that should be fullfiled before the coming of the hour.

Also, Gog and Magog imo is the same case- they/it will be freed/opened/set loosed, not before hour(as rk claimed), but after its coming-that is when the hour is already started they will be a part of happening on the J day. Cause Gog and Magog are mentioned in 17th verse, if we count from the end of both chapters where they are mentioned, rk propheciesed that they will "reappear" in 1700th year after hijra"- (What a logic!) read the vereses and you will see that gog and Magog will "reappear " on J day and not before it:

18/98 He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: But **when the promise of my Lord comes to pass**, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true." 018.099 ON THAT DAY We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another and the *trumpet will be blown*, and We shall collect them all together. 018.100 And We shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-

It is very clear that verses speak about the happenings on the j day.

The Creature from earth (imo it means that it will come from the earth and not that it is made from earhly material) will speak to people that they actually were not true believers in verses of God. The fact that many people will become conscious of their disbelieving not until when J day came- is repeated many times through Quran. Only on j day it will be known to them that they actually were disbelievers-and in that context should be looked at creature from earth

See connection with this verse

006.158 Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! On the day when some of the signs of your Lord come, No soul will profit from its faith if did not believe before, or earn good through its faith. Say: Wait; we too are waiting.

You see, there is no signs of the Hour before the Hour as rk, sunnies and others claim. That is because cause God says in the verse that when some signs come no soul will profit from its faith-cause, J-day has already started and there is no room for repentace. And rk and sunnies claimed that some signs will come when there is still room for repentance, that is, before j day- when repentance is still possible.

The following verse also confirms my understanding, this is very important verse for the topic:

"Are they waiting until the Hour comes to them suddenly? All the signs thereof have **already come**. Once the Hour comes to them, how will they benefit from their message? " 47/18

You see, all the conditions for the coming of the hour were already**fulfilled** in the time of messenger muhamed(coming of the zeal of the announcers) and last scripture and Law-Quran. There was no room for coming of the "confirming messenger" after announcer/prophet Muhamad, as rk claimed "proving" it by his wrong understanding of 3/81.

Because the verse CLEARLY claims that all ashratuha/ signs/conditions are already came in the time of muhamad there is no room/need for Gog and Magog before j day, nor for the creature from earth - they are actually a part of happening on the J-day, and not before it. They are in fact the signs mentioned in 6/158 "...On the day when some of the signs of your Lord come, No soul will profit from its faith if did not believe before..."6/158

"Are they waiting until the Hour comes to them suddenly? All the signs thereof have already come. Once the Hour comes to them, how will they benefit from their message? " 47/18

The hour can come in the next second or in the next minute.

sorry for my bad english, Zlatan

p.s. the only objection to this understandiong could be brought if someone want to interpret "the True promise" in 21/97 as The hour8j day), but it should be interpreted as throwing of disbelievers in hell(as described in 21/98) or similar, cause we have seen that 18/98-100 CLEARLY, without smallest ambiguity, claims that Gog and Magog will not be let loose until J day.

021.095 But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed: that they shall not return, 021.096 Until, when Gog and Magog are let loose, and they hasten out of every mound, 21/97 And the True Promise draweth nigh;then the eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror: "Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay, we truly did wrong!" 21/98 Surely you and what you worship besides Allah are the firewood of hell; to it you shall come.

p.s. toward my best knowledge of arabic I think that the root of the word "daabah" translated as the "creature", caries the meaning of moving ,that is, it means "the creature that is moving"; and computers are not moving