Subject: 3/7, code 19, sects, resolving disputes and unity among people (A must read)  

3/7 He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive(muhkamaat), they are the basis(ummu) of the Book, and others are mutashabihat; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is ambiguous(-mu-tashabih), seeking to mislead/discord and seeking (to give it their own?) interpretation. But none knows its interpretation except Allah. And those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding

Key words: *Muhkamaat* verses-perfected/tighteneed/clear/firm/well-established/precise/straight/unambiguous/decisive verses

God says for them in 3/7 "they are ummu of the book".

"ummu" stands for mother/origin/source/prototype/basis...

(interesting -one scholar say that Ummu in arabic means "the thing to which another thing returns, in which it takes refuge, that is why the mother is called ummu")

*Mutashabihat* verses-looking like/ /resembling/ambiguous/undecisive/vague/obscure/unclear/allegoricall? ( I am not quite sure about this last meaning -allegorical)

God adds that those in whose hearts is perversity FOLLOW WHAT IS AMBIGUOUS/resembling seeking for fitna/disorder and seeking (their?) interpretation ...

And then he adds that none knows its(Quran`s or mutashabihaat`s) interpretation/meaning except God...

In my opinion then comes full stop, and then God continues by saying that those who are firmly rooted in the knowledge say :we believe in it, all of it is from our Lord...

Not that i believe that those who are rooted in the knowledge can not grasp the message/meaning of mutashabihaat verses, ON CONTRARY, imo they CAN GRASP IT, BUT, ONLY by looking at it, and trying to understand it IN THE LIGHT OF MUHKAMAAT verses-which are BASIS/SOURCE of the book...

It is just that the emphasis in the verse is on the fact that its(qurans or mutashabihaat`s) correct meaning comes ONLY through God(which is one of the main messeage of Quran), that is,through His Book(His book represent His judgement and His opinion - Quran explains Quran),that is, the correct meaning of Quran or mutashabehaat/ambiguous verses should and could be established ONLY through/using muhkamaat - precise verses... In short,Quran explains Quran,this is amazing facet of this consistent book, and, GOD is Teacher of Quran, and subjective interpretations are not allowed.

What is ambiguous at one place is claryfied at another place through using more precise words or verses.

Otherwise, it would be conjecturing and abusing and creating disorder as decribed in 3/7 - those in whose hearts is perversity follow that which is ambiguous...

It is well known fact that all sects (ab)use mutashabihat verses interpreting it in isolation of other (precise)verses and giving to it their subjective interpretation inventing and justifying their unquranic doctrines...

That is the whole point of 3/7.... muhkamaat verses are basis/source of the book and mutashabihat verses(instead being interpreted in the light of muhkamaat) are (ab)used from those whose heart waver from the path for creating discord/mischief and for seeking for interpretations, in order to give an unquranic picture to Quran and to justify their desires,that is, to extricate some unquranic and undecent doctrine from Quran, hidding behind alleged following of Quran WHILE, IN FACT,THEY are following and dwelling upon mutashabihahat verses...which do not represent prototypes/basis/source of the book...

Any doctrine, teaching, attitude, opinion or whatever - if it has no support in muhkamaat verses, then, mutashabihaat verses alone are not enough, and it can not be said that it has its basis and support in the book, cause only muhkamaat verses are source of the book(represent position/judgement of the book) and mutashabihaat verses should be interpreted in the other way -in line with muhkamaat... And only if the teaching has support in muhkamaat verses,only then, can be said that Quran suports such teaching.

Imo it is NOT LOGICAL if the correctmeaning of some verses of Quran can not be grasped - as traditionaly understood, BUT IT IS ALSO ILLOGICAL to think that judgements, religion, positions,opinions and doctrines could be based only on mutashabihaat/ambiguous verses....

And it is very illogical that those who are rooted in the knowledge find out its meaning through some sort of hidden revelations, or through complicated calculations(as shias,some sunnies and some code 19 believers claim), or through some other way, other than reading and contemplating upon Quran and its muhkamaat verses...

Expression "Rooted in the knowledge" by itself says to us from where they pick up their knowledge - from the book of God(and its muhkamaat verses which reperesent the basis of the book)- which is the main source of knowledge and detail explanation for/of all things...

One can not say that this and this doctrine(for example sunnah,hadith, code 19,shia imams etc.) is based upon Quran, IF he has no support in mukhkamaat verses...which represent UMM/prototype/mother/SOURCE of the book....

Every sect, doctrine, philosophy, group, movement can find some kind of "basis" and "support" in Quran(for their opinion).

We see it daily, every sect has some verses to present as divine proof and evidence for their doctrine...

And they say:-you see, in this and this verse God says so and so... For example...

Sunnies cite verses : "obey messenger"... and say:- you see,we must obey messenger and ask:-how we will do it today when he is dead ,and answer:- of course by following his sayings in the book of his hadith-. And they cite:"they will not believe until they take YOU as judge ", and they say: you see we must judge according to hadith of the prophet...

But, when we analyse these verses in the light of other more precise - muhkamaat verses - we see that what is meant by obedience and taking the prophet as the judge is, actually, obeying to God`s laws in Quran and taking His Quran as judge...

They say that TWO revelations were given to Muhamad, citing the verses where God says that he revealed "book and wisdom"(Quran and Hadith according to THEIR INTERPRETATION), but, when muhkamaat verses are consulted, we see that ONLY ONE revelation was given to Muhamad -Al Quran.... And they forgot that muhkamaat verses are BASIS/SOURCE OF THE BOOK -muhkamaat represents the answer/position and judgement of the book on this, as well as, every other topic and NOT Mutashabihaat verses... Which only RESEMBLE and LOOK LIKE as an order for following/taking hadith as divine doctrine...But we see that "obey messenger" also could(and should be) interpreted in other way, other then obey book of hadith and that it is more soundfull interpretation...(when muhkamat verses are consulted, of course)

Shias point to 33/33 and expression "ahlel bayti" and many other verses- for example mutahheroon from 56/79 etc as the basis for their shia`s doctrine...

Rashad and code 19 believers cite 74/30 and 74/31 and 74/35 etc and,they use , for example, most acrobatical allegorie ever: 15/87(we gave you 7 (of) repeating(s) and the grand reading) They say: seven of repeatings/seven pairs=14 quranic initials=its gematrical values= sum of its gemetrical values=1709= the year of j -day????!!!!

(Is this any better than shia`s claim that 12 months in the year mentioned in 9/36 are actually 12 shias imams!!)

But they have no muhkamaat verses to support them ...

So, their teaching is not quranic , it is not based upon Quran cause it is not based on muhkamaat verses which reperesent SOURCE of the book...

Their teaching is "extricated" from mutashabihaat verses which, contrary to muhkamaat, ARE NOT basis/source /prototype of the book and which are clearly described as source for/of abusing of Quran from the side of those in whose hearts is waverness from the path....

Mutashabihaat verses can not be source of the book and CAN NOT represent a basis for some doctrine if there is no support in muhkamat verses...

Mutashabihat must be interpreted in harmony with muhkammaat verses...

I believe mutashabehaat can not mean allegorical as some claim, its meaning throug quran is similar, ambiguous, looking like, resembling etc but God knows the best maybe i missed something, BUT... EVEN if we accept this translation as a valid translation, even then allegorical meaning must be in line with muhkamaat verses, that is, they can not bring any new doctrine and meaning other than those already mentioned and confirmed in muhkamaat verses...

And that is why i brought question :

Why you CAN NOT cite a single muhkam verse to support code 19, Rashad, whoever die under 40 automatically goes to heaven,2280.,calculating, counting, dividing etc. stuff...

And that is why code 19 represent unuquranic teaching...

no verse says that there is code 19 in Quran no verse says that 2280. is the time of j day etc.etc.

Though believers in the code will find some mutashabihaat verses and extricate all this stuff from it...

As well as no verse says:"Folow sunnah of Muhamad!", or : "Jesus will come back !"

and no verse says:"follow the books of hadith!" or: "take the hadith as an explanation of Quran"

and no verse says:"follow ulama!"

Though sunnies will find many mutashabihaat verses and extricate all this stuff from it...

And no verse says: "follow 12 or 6 shia imamas" or:"follow Ali" etc

But shias will find some verses which gives weak allusions on/of it, and also,they will use most ludicrous allegories to justify it, for example: 12 month in the year(9/36) =12 shia imams??!!

That is why I understand code 19 doctrine and believers in the code as nothing but a sect who dwels upon and follows mutashabihaat verses extricating from it their dooctrine and creating disorder in Quran Alone movement...

Multiple meaning verses are described as being followed by sick hearts and not as basis of book...

Allegories are the last thing that could be relied on, and the last thing that should be used in resolving things and disputes among us, and last thing upon which quranic doctrines could be based ....

Anybody could say: you see, this verse is not what it says, but is is allegorical, it means this and this and it refers to this and this ...

Shias can say that 12 months in the year mentioned in 9/36 reffer to 12 shias imams , BUT...

Edip and his fellows and followers of code 19 can say that nineteen in 74/30 are not 19 malaikah but allegory of "code 19"- mathemathical system embedded in quran...

And saqar promised in 74/26 is not hell fire but computer and the code....

But other believers in code 19 who uphold 5 salats will say that Edip is disbeliever who decreased number of salats from 5 to 3, and that he decreased No 5 which is authenticated by Rashad and by code 19, and they say that the man who is blamed by Allah in surah 96 is not a classical agressive disbeliever who forbid to people to pray, but he represent Edip and anybody who is likeminded and who is trying to decrease No of salats from 5 to 3 or 2 ...and "forbid" to people to follow 5 salats

And they say that verses 96/9-10 reffer to decreasing No of salat from 5 to 3 or 2...

96/9 Have you seen the one who enjoins. 96.10 Others from praying?

96.011 Is it not better for him to follow the guidance?(Have you considered if he were on the right way,) 96/12 Or advocate righteousness? 96/13 Have you considered if he gives the lie to the truth and turns (his) back?

And they say that God verses 96/14-19 promised punishement for such people in the hearafter, as well as, a "scientific punishement"- a mathematico-numerical proof which proves that 5 salats are authenticated and protected by God with code 19, but which is rejected by Edip who can not recognise Gods Signs which is promised also in 41/53 and 27/93...

096.014 Does he not realize that GOD sees? 096.015 Indeed, unless he refrains, we will take him by the forelock. 096.016 A forelock that is disbelieving and sinful.

096.017 Let him then call on his helpers.

(they say that this is challenge to disbelievers in 5 salats and allegorical promise of no 19 based proof which shows that 5 salats are divine doctrine !!!???)

096.018 We will call the guardians of Hell. (you see,they say, God promises and challenges him with guardians of hell that is-19)

096.019 You shall not obey him; you shall fall prostrate and draw nearer.

(you see, they say, it says: "you shall not obey him and prostrate!", so, it is obvious that it is allegorical command to continue with 5 salats and to disobey those who pray 3 times and who are runing away from code 19 which proves that 5 salats is divine doctrine)

I hope, We all see how this is ridiculous.....But, then, how can we accept that saqar is computer or the code? And that, instead of hell fire, the code is promised in 74/26??? Isnt it also ridiculous???)

If allegories could represent the basis for the faith`s doctrines then it would resulted in a big DISCORD, everybody could take any verse and claim that it reffers to what he want to reffers, it would opened the door for an ocean of different most acrobatic interpretations without smalles chance for discovering the real meaning of verses and for avoiding confilictes and unsolvable disputes...(and we see that it indded has resulted in discord - whenever allegories and mutashabihaat are accepted as basis)

That is why muhkamaat are basis of the book(God want us united!), and no one can come and said this verse reffers to this and that, if he has no support in the basis/source of the book - precise/clear/straight/decisive muhkamaat verses...

The moment when he start to dwell upon mutashaabihat and upon different kind of implyings,and allegories, he is recognised as those in whose heart is wavernesss....

God is the only source of knowledge and verses of quran are to be interpreted in the light of other verses...No one know it`s meaning except God... Interesting questions for/to believers in code 19:

-Isnt Quran fully detailed Book?

-Does God run out of words?

-Where Quran says that there is code 19 embeded in it?

-Where Quran says that 19 is a Sign?

-Where Quran says that Judgement day will happen in the year 2280.?

-Where Quran says that Gog and Magog will be freed in 1700. after hijrah?

-Where Quran says that whoever dies under the age of 40 automatically(no matter if he was disbeliever) goes in Heaven?

-Where, in Quran, God ordered that words of Quran and its letters should be counted?

-Where, in Quran, God said that anything and everything in Quran should be counted and divided by 19?

-Where Quran says that Rashad Khalifa is(or will be) messenger of God?

-Where Quran says that, after revelation of Quran, God will send a Rashad Khalifa to make clear and explain some of His verses?

-Where Quran says that we will find some divinely inspired explanation`s of its verses in the book called appendicess of Rashad Khalifa`s (Authorised!?) translation of Quran?

-Can you answer to any of these questions above with a clear, straightforward and unambiguos verse of Quran?

-Isnt Quran fully detailed book?

-Why is it so hard to find a SINGLE clear verse in Quran to support theory of code 19?

-Why do you have to relie upon ambiguous verses while defending code 19 and messengership of Rashad Khalifa?(3/7)

-Did you forget that muhkamat/straightforward verses are basis/source of the book?

-Did you forget that only those whose hearts tend to wawer follow and dwell on ambiguous verses?

-Have you check all the counts and calculations, that you consider miraculous and that you believe in, by yourself, or you relie upon hear-say?

-Did you count 40.000 letters("initials" in initialed chapters), and how many times?

-Did some goat eat 17/36 in your copy of Quran?

-Have you ever heard about messenger of God who announced his messengership RETROACTIVELY to people as Rashad Khalifa did?

-Did you know that appendices of RK`s translation of Quran are full of errors and mathemathical properties,manipulations with counting criteria, arbitrary and selective inclusions of diferent forms of words and letters in order to fit 19-divisibility, that is, full of insignificant calculations and counts ?

-Did you ever read a serious critic and (re)evaluation of Rashad Khalifa`s work(calculations,counts etc.)?

-Why do you not believe in Bible code(s)?

-Did you know that there are several codes embeded in Bible?

-Why do you not believe in hadiths of Muhammad of which many are scientifically confirmed as true?

-Do you know how many sunnies increased their faith witnessing a miracle of those scientifically confirmed hadiths?

-Why do you think that the sunnah and hadith which Rashad Khalifa ascribed to God, is any better from the sunnah and hadith which Bukhari & co.`s ascribed to God ?