Subject: More about initals

A believer in code 19 wrote:

> What I mentioned were simple *facts* (I did not make any "analysis")

What you mentioned are five(5)19-divisible sets of initials and what you DID NOT MENTION are EIGHT(8)or nine(9)sets that ARE NOT 19 DIVISIBLE, which proves that "initials" have nothing to do with code 19.

IF IT WAS GOD`S INTENTION to code quran, ALL of 14 sets of initials would be 19 divisible.

You says that bismilahs are consistently included in letter counts and participate in structure. BUT, it ONLY refers to five(5) 19-divisible sets and in regards other 8 EIGHT sets that are not divisible, it is the same whether you include them or not they ARE NOT 19 divisible. (You again fail to mention sets that are not 19 divisible. This a kind of disease of believes in the code. Whatever is not 19 divisible they do not mention it.)

Not to mention that there are other numerous ways of analising initials, for example:

*When counted alone/separately,ONLY one(1)* out of 14 quranic initials shows 19 divisibility in initialed surahs (notice that this is separate count of initials in chapters where they occur/crown the chapter-for example- count of letter Q in all initialed chapters where it crowns the chapter is 114=6 ×19 -the count is19 divisible, BUT, it is the only initial which shows 19 divisibility when initials are analysed in this way!!!)

(This,you`ll agree, for sure do not represent any code.)

*Only three(3)* out of 29 initialed surahs show 19 divisible sum of "initials" that crown particular chapter.

(This is apsolutely normal statistical variation and this can not, , constitute any code, and not to speak about DIVINE CODE and PROOF of divinity of the Quran.)

*Only four(4)* out of 30 sets of quranic initials shows 19-divisible sum of "initials" that crown particular chapter.

The commentar is same as above.(Data/counts are taken from Abu Jamil -An authority among believers in the code from www.q-zone.com)

IF GOD`S INTENTION WAS TO EMBEDE A CODE IN QURAN, IT WOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE for All-Mighty Creator of the Universe TO MAKE ALL THE SUMS in ALL these different ways of analysis 19-divisible.

And THAT WOULD BE A DIVINE CODE and that would be a proof !!!

He would not left us to relie on false data, conjectures and ignorance of math. and statistics of code fanatics.

I WOULD ACCEPT a code as divine **EVEN** IF ONLY ONE out of numerous different (but consistent) methods of analysing initials COULD RESULT IN ALL 19-divisible summs/sets.

BUT, people investigate count, calculate, analyse and check during 30 years and they tried all the methods of analysis and counting and whole spectar of various exclusions and inclusions and what did they find is ONLY FIVE(5) out of 14 sets ????? And even this is only if include letter from bismilahs for which they claim that ARE NOT part of surahs but only preceed them and which they excluded when they counted words in Quran(what a consistency!!!).

Such a slopy code can not be a result of DIVINE design. It looks divine to you because of your prejudice that there is a code in Quran. Besides that... You only CONJECTURE that Alif initlaled sets will be 19 divisible one day. You have no knowledge about it and God did not revealed anything about it to you. According Abu Jamil datas ONLY ONE out of four alif sets are 19 divisible.

Regarding letters(or sets)Nun and Sad. They are NOT 19 divisible.

You are free to correct them in Quran based on your conjecture, but ,even then, there is no code. But you have to know that from the moment when you start to correct texts and to pick and choose from various scripts to repare your hallucinated code- it, by definition, could not be called a divine code and design, but human`s code and design.

One day you will surely find a way, using different texts, to make all sets 19 divisible.

But you have to know that I(human) COULD PRODUCE AND DESIGN "quranic code" BASED ON ANY NUMBER IF i am allowed to pick and to choose from various scripts and texts of Quran as you.

Again, if there is a code in Quran God in his fuly detailed book would not fail to mention it(specialy becuse of reasons mentioned above). Since He did not, you only conjecture. And twist the verses to justify your hallucinated code.

On the end, i recommend to you, as well to other believers in code a basic courses in:

1 Arabic 2 Statistics

Plus,

3 Reading and meditating upon Quran.

But of course, previously you have to take RK`s glasses off.