Subject:"INITIALS" HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CODE 19 OR "Initials" are witnesses AGAINST code 19

The theory of code 19 is tearing down at the same place where it started.At initials....

Niaz-a believer in code 19- wrote: > please explain why .... > > * The initial Set Qaf occurs in Sura 50. The letter Qaf also occurs in > Sura 42. The total number of Qafs in the Suras where they occur = 57 + 57 = > 114 = 19x6. > * The initial Set Ya Seen occurs in Sura 36. The total number of Ya's > and Seen's in this Sura is 285 = 19x15. > * The initial Set Ka Ha Ya Ayn Saad occurs in Sura 19. The total number of > these letters in Sura 19 is 798 = 19x42. > * The initial Set Ha Meem occurs in Suras 40-46. The total number of > Ha-Meem's in the Suras where they occur is 2147 = 19x113. > * The initial Set Ayn Seen Qaf occurs in Sura 42. The total number of Ayn, > Seen, Qaf in this Sura is 209 = 19x11.

First it is to be said that nobody is against the miracle or code if it really exist or if it is divine BUT, unfortunatelly for many, nothing of it is the truth.

What Niaz FORGOT to say about these five 19 divisible counts is that in each and every count(except for letter qaf cause Q is not mentioned in bismilah) he has INCLUDED the letters from bismilahs that preceeds quranic chapters!!??

Do you remember how strongly he argued that bismillahs that preceeds quranic chapters are not part of surahs (except in first surah)???? but only preceed/crown chapters(for the sake of justifying of other inventions of his sect). And inspite of this, now, he INCLUDED it in count of initials in SURAHS where those initials are found?'*?="#$%&?? Do you remember how strongly he argued that in counting of word Allah, all the occurences of Allah from bismilahs that preceeds quranic chapters should be EXCLUDED???!!! Do you remmember how strongly he opposed the idea that occurences of word allah, ar raheem and arrahmaan in 112 ,so called, unnumbered bismillah should be EXCLUDED from tottal count/sum of these words ???

And now he want to INCLUDE the letters from those bismillahs in count of initials ??,inspite his fanatical belief that those bismillahs actually ARE NOT PART OF THE CHAPTERS where initials are found and counted????!!!! So much about consistency of believers in code and consistency of code 19 itself.

But since we should be open to the truth, let us analyse for the moment his 19 divisible counts ACCEPTING HIS CHOICE that letters from the bismilahs should be included. (I agree there is a certain logic in including it in count of initials.)

Even then, Niaz again missed to see and show the whole picture. He did not mentioned that there are 14 sets of initials. Of which EIGHT (8) are NOT 19-divisible.

This is phenomenon that is common to believers in code 19. They allways look at and present ONLY those counts that are 19-divisible, and they never mention those that are not 19-divisible. He presented five(5) 19-divisible "initial sets. BUT what he OMMITED AND WHAT HE DID NOT MENTION are EIGHT(8)or NINE(9) other initial sets whose count (or summ) is NOT 19-DIVISIBLE!!!!

1 Set Ta-Ha(surah 20) 279 not 19-divisible

2 Set Ta-Seen(surah 26,27,28) 369 not 19-divisible

3 Set Ta-Seen-Meem(surahs 26 and 28) 1192 not 19-divisible

4 Set Noon(surah 68) 132 not 19-divisible

5 Set Sad(surah 7,19,38) 153 not 19-divisible,

6 Set Alif-Lam-Meem-Sad(surah 7) 5136 not 19-divisible

7 Set Alif-Lam-Meem-Ra(surah 13) 1436 not-19 divisible

8 Set Alif -Lam-Meem (surahs 2,3,7,13,29,30,31,32) 25853 not 19-divisible

(counts/datas are from Abu Jamil, from www.q-zone.com, -one of the authorities among believers in code 19)

I am sure that his five(5) 19-divisible sets look less impressive after these EIGHT(8) that ARE NOT 19 divisible.

(please do not let them decieve you by saying Alif counts are not reliable cause "it differs from script to script and is normal thing that sums of alifs are not 19 divisible". Sets of initials Ta Ha,Ta Seen,Ta Seen Meem,etc that preceeds several chapters and that contains no Alifs are also NOT 19 divisible; and also, if it is alowed to count according other scripts, then even those five (5) 19-divisible counts will be ruined cause in other scripts there are some variations (from the text that RK and believers in code use and are reffering to) in spelling of the arabic letters. For example, T instead of J (no change in meaning), and only 2 or maybe 3 or even maybe ONLY 1 out of 5 Niazs counts would be 19-divisible)

So we have the situation that ONLY 5 sets(or 6 according to Abu Jamil`s data)out of 14 sets of initials are 19-divisible. It this "One of the greates signs"! as he claim????? Is this the phenomenon/sign that is impossible to immitate and which is impossible to occur occur by coincidence???? Is this "a one of the greatest things" that Allah swears upon it so powerfuly, and so strongly, with mighty oaths, in 74/31-35???? Or, all of those mighty oaths reffer to Quran?

Are ONLY FIVE 19-divisible sets out of 14 sets THE WARNING , THE REMINDER to the WORLDS and THE REMINDER to every human?????

According to statistics of Abu Jamil, one of authorities among the believers in code(imo the most cunning out of code 19 religion ulama) ONLY SIX(6) out of 14 sets are 19-divisible.

This is no miracle at all. It is important to mention that this ,"6 out of 14", is acctually the method of analysis which gave the most 19 divisible hits. There are numerous other ways of analysing initials(and also there are other possible methods of counting the letters; you can exclude those from bismilahs, you can exclude initials itself in surah where initials are counted; for example if it could produce some 19 divisible hits, code 19 believers would be arguing and proving with all possible means that it is very logical that initials itself should be excluded in counting initials in surahs. For example,then, occurences of initials Ha-Meem in chapter 41 in verse No1 should not be counted, because the verse No 1 consist of initials (Ha meem) themselves. The beggining of surah 41 goes: 1.Ha,Meem 2.A revelation from the Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Besides this there are the other ways to analyse initials.

I made some analyses according to simple and plain methods that could easily show does code exist or not. Datas for my analysis I took from tables with counts of initials of Abu Jamil www.q-zone.com

1.For example, if we count all the initials that crown particular chapter and if we divide its count/sum with 19 and if we analyse all 29 initialed surahs using the same method, we found that ONLY 3 surah out of 29 initialed surahs shows 19 divisible count/sum of its initials (chapters :No19 Merjem , chapter No 36 ja seen,Chapter 50 Qaf). ONLY 3 out 29 ???!!! Is this a miracle??? What miracle is this???? ONLY 3 out 29 ???!!! This is on level of an everyday coincidence.

2.Similarly, people often say :" In the surah No 50(surah qaf) there are 57 qafs(letter qaf), and in surah No 42(surah Shura) there are also 57 qafs, and 57+57 =114 and you see it is 19 divisible and it`s miracle!!!".

But, when we analyse other initials using the same method, no "inital" (letter) show such a 19 divisibility pattern.(even in the case that Sin in the word bastaten(7/69) is corrected to Sad and Noon in 68/1 spelled out as NwN, even then we have only 3 out of 14 initials that have 19-divisible count)

So we have ONLY ONE(1) 19-divisible sum out of 14???? Is this a miracle ??? Is this a one of the graetest miracles???

Niaz analysed initals acording a method where initials are considered as a sets of initials. And he found five of them 19 divisible out of 14. This is nothing. Abu Jamil get a similar result but using a bit different method of analysis. And he analyse it statistically and his final conclusion was that significance of this phenomenon is 1:70.000.(though i think that it is overstated let us accept his result and let us analyse it) What does it mean? It means that 1 out of every 70.000 books contains such a code.

It means that every 70.000th human authored book analysed by the same method will show similar pattern!!!

It practicaly means that whichever library you visit you can find a dozen of books coded by "code 19" which they claim is extraordinary and divine???!!! Their code is embeded UNINTENTIONALY by their human authors while they were writting them. While they were writing let say about recipes for cakes, or about most succesfull sportist of the year, or about famous historical events, etc. etc. etc. Not to say what could be done if somebody has intention to make such a code, that is to embede it in his book. So even the book of atheists could be coded with such a code. And claims in style:"produce a surah like this" by reffering it to code 19 is ridiculous.

Of course Niaz will try to argue about this and refute it by saying: ***** Among the "millions and millions" of books in the world, how many of them have certain chapters initialled with some mysterious Initials the, the significance of which was not known for 14 centuries? (this, about hidden secretduring 14 centuries is is a conjecture par exellance, but we will discuss it in some other posts, but it must be said that if the thing how was quran fully detailed, without hadith,was also hidden secret for a 14 centuries for an oridinary masses, why, then, wander about initials -my comment) And among the "millions and millions" of books in the world, how many of them would you find these letters consistently described as the Signs of the Book by its author? *****

This is a faulty logic. This is an attempt to connect/link /associate an insignificant phenomenon which represent a main doctrine of a blasphemous sect with The Signs of God`s Book in order to justify a teaching of the sect giving a divine stamp to it.(This is a no better attempt than attempt of sunnies who tried to conect obedience of messenger with the obedience to books of hadith.) This is an attempt of changing of hypothesis.

First he claimed that such a phenomenon is divine and impossible to immitate but when proven wrong, now he tries to change hypothesis from the miracle to a prophecy. So, according to him the phenomenon IS INSIGNIFICANT and CAN BE FOUND in many HUMAN-AUTHORED books, but since it is "based" on initials that are mentioned as divine Signs in Quran, the phenomenon must be divine???? This is wrong. This is a faulty logic. The found 19 related phenomenon is insignificant and is not miraculous and all attempts to connect it with a divine signs- "initials" will not make it miraculous since it is an oridinary phenomenon by itself. "Initials" are signs in some other sense, and 19 related phenomenon is insignificant and it is just a coincidence that some unsignificant phenomenon is also conected with it, actually the people were those who connected it.

Let me try to explain it by giving a simple example to you.

How many times you have heard or maybe witnessed how some Good sheikh/ulama healed somebody`s "incurable" disease using "miraculous" medicine prepared by using oridinary water and putting/diping some pages of the holy quran in it. It is a quite often phenomenon in primitive milieus, envirovements, circles etc. The young man(for example)who was (let say)aheist was going from one doctor/physician to another for a years, and so on, and so on, and so on .... and no doctor, expert and specialist could heal his disease. He had terrible pain in chests, could not sleep at night , if sleep , then,he sees terible dreams. During the day the pain would become more stronger, he could not do anything, he was only lieing. He almost got crazy, the moments without pain or perfect mind consciousness were very rare ...etc etc. etc. He and his family, though they were not religious,but were very superstitious, start to pray to God for help.They thouht, if God exist, then, only He can help him. One day his family heard about some mystical muslim -good sheikh to whome,as people narrated, God gave a power to heal a whole spectar of different incurable disease. And the sheikh, as many narated, was indeed able to heal people`s diseases , of course, as sheikh allways emphasized, only by God`s Will and by His permission and using Quran.

They went to him, and they pay him some money, and he examined the patient. He wrote down some quranic verses on paper, he diped/put the paper in the bottle of oridinary water, and he wait for a 114 minutes; then he gave it to the patient and said that he must start to pray to God and to believe in Him and specialy in His best and most beloved of all the prophets-prophet muhamad whose name is written upon God`s heavenly throne and to brings many blessings on the prophet AND to drink that water every time after he prays sunnah part of salat at noon upon the grave of a great sheikh (who was a teacher of our sheikh who cures), during a period of three weeks. :) And it worked !!! After the period of three weeks the young man was cured. The misterious pain and the disease dissapearred and he was perfectly sane. He was able to work, to sleep, to live a normal life.

If you asked me, it was coincidence, a placebo effect or something similar, or something that i could not explain,BUT, one thing i can guarantie to you, it were NOT quranic verses diped in oridinary water, that cured the patient. It was coincindence. Something other cured a guy. The same effect would be achieved even if the pages of any human authored book were diped in the water. But the sheikh could argue that it could not be coincidence and he could try to refute my logic by saying: How many human authored books claim for themselves that they are remedy/medicine to believers, and that they are remedy for that that is in chests????

If you believe that quranic verses diped in water are perfect cure for disease of such a kind that is mentioned above, then, go and believe that "code 19" has something to do with Quranic "initials" that represents ajaats/signs of the God`s Book....

There is nothing significant in 19-divisibility in relation to initials. All the methods of counting and analysing could produce only a few 19-divisible hits, and that is all. It maybe could be interesting to numerologists, and to some sectarians, and to hunter of secrets, but that is all, it prooves nothing, not to speak about prooving a divinity of Quran. We can say that it is a divine intention to be so, cause, we believe that Quran is from God and that God put everything for a purpose. But of course 6 out of 14 proves nothing, and proves not divinity of Quran, but it represents a perfect chance for satan to start playing his games and to mislead people and to lead them into inventing codes and theories, conjecturing and accepting a whole lot of hadiths besides Quran and false gods besides Allah. Satan, seeing this 6 out of 14 , gave them a perfect motive for introducing inovation, sects ,and complicating the true religion. He probably said: "You see, there are several 19 divisible sums of initials, it must be some code, you have just discovered a code!!, such a great guys(ulama) you are!,you discovered a code that was hidden for a centuries ,you have just explained many of quranic verseswhose meaning was unknown for a centuries!! this is wonderfull!! Go now, change the words of God, correct it, all sums must be 19 divisible, you must make all sums to be 19-divisible, this quran is corrupted, this is not real quran- where all initials are 19 divisible, go develope numerous theories,develope different methods of analysing of initials, count and count and count letters,words, verses, think about verse numbers, it must be that some divine explanation of Quran are embedded in them. Go and count everything, dont forget gematrical values of letters!,it is so interesting and exciting! to have it on mind. Accept liar Rashad Khalifa as a messenger , use statistics, calculate anything and everything, perform complicated analyses during many years, delete the verses of God`s Book, make religion more and more complicated, create sects, announce falsely yourselves as a messengers of God(you must be messengers, who other could discover such an interesting and miraculous number relations and codes embedded in Quran ? God gives his miracles only to His messengers, so whoever discover something he must be messenger!). Go now, distort translations of Quran to fit doctrine of this code,and proclaim that whover reject this code is disbeliever, make this code a centerpiece of religion, always have the code on mind... etc etc etc.

ONE EXAMPLE MORE Also this 6 out of 14 gives a perfect chance for a sunnie code. A sunnie could ask: Why 6 out of 14? Why not 5 or 7 or etc? Does it maybe reffer to 6 authentic collections of hadith??? Of course!! It could not be a coincidence. Also,look this! It could not be a coincidence! Quran has 114 chapters and 114=19x6 . You see!! Dont you understand ?! 19x 6=114 chapters of Quran. 6 again! It must be allusion on 6 authentic collections of hadit. Otherwise, how could we perform salat without it? And how could we know how much zakat should we pay? And How could we perform hajj? And How could we get explanation for a many of quranic verses?

Now i fully understand how initials are signs of the book...6 out of 14 it means that book could be fully detailed only if we explain it by 6 colections of hadith . Remember 6/114(6 again!! /and 114=6x19, also 6 again!!!) 006.114 YUSUFALI: Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." ...

You see, the book is explained in detail, but how it could be explained in detail when we found no all the details in it? It must be that the prophet is one who will explain it. Of course!!! Obey prophet is confirmation of this! But because of "dinamicity" of Quran, obey prophet, now, in the modern, scientific era, means: "Obey 6 authentic collection of hadith that explaines Quran". Yes, yes, yes,definitelly... the initials are signs of the book. Remember, there are numerous hadith whose divine origin is confirmed by modern science. So hadiths are divine teachings. Even science confirmed it. Yes there are some guys(quran only) who denie it, but they did not even checked all the hadiths to see how many of them are miraculous and they denie it!!! Tccc.... They denie God`s Signs before they check it and and without studying it!!?? Didnt they read in Quran that God will show them His proofs sin all the horisons?? They say that all these scientific confirmations and true prophecies in hadith of prophet are just a coincidence and it just happened???!!! And they claim that it could be found in other non-divine books such as bible , book of mormons, bhadavad gita, mobby dick , etc etc etc.???!!! How could all this could be coincidence, how could bukhari, if he was inventing hadiths as they claim, how could he then propheciesed a future event and discoveries of modern science etc.etc.etc.

And how many human authored books claim that they are prophet`s explanation of Quran????And how many human authored books contains expalnation of how should we perform salat, and how much zakat should be payed, and how we wil perform hajj?? Come on, it can not be a coincidence!!!No way. Hadith explains quran.And hadith is divine teaching.

What is a probability that a man by pure coincidence, before more than 1000 years ,while inventing a book of hadith, prophecieses things that modern science will reveal 1000 years latter!!!??? It must be 1:100 bilions And what are the odds that this invented book of such a man also claims that it represents a prophet`s explanation of Quran!!! How many human authored books claim that they are authentic and original prophet`s explanation of Quran. Come on,it can not be a coincidence! Those guys(quran only) are real disbelievers, and they are flying like zebras from God`s zikra mentioned in 16/44, for which God said that it will serve as explanation of Quran:

"...and We have revealed to you the Reminder/zikra that you may make explain to men that which has been revealed to them...",

You see, they are flying like a zebras from God`s zikra(hadith of prophet that explains Quran)

p.s. (remember - bible code based on No 7 has far more significance 1:33.000.000, than Niaz`s and Abu Jamil`s code 1:70.000. And remember, number 7 is very important number according to Bible-bible reader wil know what i mean.. Also if somebody is diligernt worker he could found how No 7 increases faith of believers, specialy if he use a little distortion and taking out of context just as believers in code 19 did with 74/31.)